Entering Your Promised Land
About the Guest
What best describes your spiritual walk? Vibrant or sluggish? If you're like most, your faith walk has seen better days. Best-selling author Max Lucado opens the Scriptures to the book of Joshua to discover a few lessons about overcoming obstacles and entering into the promises of God.
Max LucadoMax Lucado is a Minister of Preaching at Oak Hills Church in San Antonio, where he has served since 1988. He has been married to Denalyn Preston Lucado since 1981, and they have three grown daughters—Jenna, Andrea and Sara—and one son-in-law, Brett.
Best-selling author Max Lucado opens the Scriptures to the book of Joshua to discover a few lessons about overcoming obstacles and entering into the promises of God.
Entering Your Promised Land
Bob: We have all heard stories of the apocryphal rich uncle who died and left someone a fortune. Well, if you are a follower of Jesus, author Max Lucado says: “It’s not a rich uncle who has left you a fortune. It is your Heavenly Father.”
Max: I think, perhaps, the most undiscovered truth in the church today is this idea of heirs with Christ—or co-heirs with Christ. Can you imagine if you are a co-heir with the daughter of Bill Gates—I mean, a co-heir—not just a distant cousin—but a co-heir? You know, it’s the Apostle Paul who really advances this thought—especially in Romans, Chapter 8—where he calls us, not just heirs of Christ, but co-heirs with Christ.
Bob: This is FamilyLife Today for Wednesday, December 9th. Our host is the President of FamilyLife®, Dennis Rainey, and I’m Bob Lepine. If, in fact, we are joint heirs with Jesus, just exactly what is it we are entitled to? We’re going to explore that idea today with Max Lucado.
And welcome to FamilyLife Today. Thanks for joining us. So, do you think most people listening to us right now—Christians who are listening—do you think they are living spiritually vibrant or spiritually sluggish lives?
Dennis: Well, according to our guest, there are a lot of them that don’t feel like they are winning. They feel like they are losing. But before we get to what his book is about, I want to introduce Max Lucado to our listening audience. They don’t really need an introduction, but I’ll give them one anyway.
Welcome back, Max.
Max: Thank you. It’s a great honor.
Dennis: It’s a privilege to have you here. Max has written 32 books. He’s got a new one out—what you are talking about, Bob—it’s called Glory Days. You’ve actually come across some research from the REVEAL study which really talks about the spiritual health of the church.
Share that with our audience because it really is interesting.
Max: It is. It’s the most comprehensive study that exists today as far as the spiritual development of people who call themselves Christians—and that’s a broad phrase—they would say there is a time in their lives in which they made a commitment to Christ—and from that end of the spectrum all the way to those who are very, very active in church life.
So, when you study a thousand churches—the members in a thousand churches—only 11 percent of all of those people would say that their spiritual life is vibrant / that they are making a spiritual progress—that they are really discovering what it means to love God and to love their neighbor—only 11 percent.
Dennis: Let me just bounce something off of you, though, because, when you share that in your book—and I kind of pondered it—I thought: “We do follow the perfect human being. There is a very real sense in which a Christian / a true follower of Christ isn’t going to ultimately match up and have his experience match the reality of heaven until he goes there, when we strip away our selfishness and our propensity to sin.”
Bob: So, you’re saying, at some level, there are 100 percent who are going, “I’m not where I ought to be spiritually”; right?
Dennis: Yes, and I would think a lot of people might even say: “Introduce me to those 11. Do they have pride or something?—I mean, seriously.” Comment on that, if you would, because I know you’ve had to deal with it in your own life.
Max: I think what this study discovered is that there are many people—in fact, most people would say that their faith is not taking them where they had hoped it would; and they don’t know why. Now, all of us go through chapters like that; but as a pastor, I’ve wondered, “How can we, number one, mobilize people who are in that season of life?—and number two, do we have to stay stuck / do we have to stay stalled out?”
I think that’s what has fascinated me about the Book of Joshua in the Old Testament—
—I’ve always loved the Book of Joshua—but when I saw that study of the people who consider their spiritual life as in the doldrums, so to speak, I thought: “You know, Joshua talks about this because it’s a story about people who were wandering in the wilderness,”—you know, 40 years walking in circles—“What did Joshua do? What did the children of Israel discover that allowed them to come out of that wilderness wandering and step into the Promise Land?”
So, when I presented this to the church, I said, “Let’s look at it from this angle—if you consider that your spiritual life is less than it could have been or what you want it to be, what if we studied Joshua, looking for tidbits and nuggets that would help us to enter into our glory days / our own Promised Land experience?”
Bob: You have pastored the same congregation in San Antonio for almost three decades now?
Max: Yes—since 1988.
Bob: And as you look out on a Sunday morning, preaching to your folks, are you thinking to yourself, “Nine out of ten of these folks are stalled out”?
Max: What a good question, Bob. [Laughter]
Bob: I do this—I speak to our congregation / our church, and I think—“Well, I think our folks are, maybe, a cut above the others,”—but I’m wondering, “Doesn’t every pastor think that about his folks?”
Max: I think we are making great progress in some ways; but at the same time, I feel like we lack depth in some of the issues that our congregation struggled with, again, 25 years ago—seem to be struggling with them even more deeply: “How do I believe in the authority of the Word of God? Can Christ really forgive all my sins? How do I know Jesus really rose from the dead?” These are bedrock pillars in the belief system. I don’t know if it’s typical of all churches / I can’t speak for all churches—I wish we could get deeper on the things that matter.
Bob: More anchored in—
Bob: —that truth.
Dennis: I wonder if we could go back and ask Joshua—say: “Hey, Joshua, take a look at your congregation—nation of Israel. Would you say 90 percent of them”—
—I wonder if he might not have said that—
Max: I think so.
Dennis: —even though he didn’t have the REVEAL Survey—because if you just check out how the book begins—and I’ve done a little study in the book myself—and it’s interesting, Max, that he begins with three charges to be courageous. Now, victory comes through courage—doing your duty in the face of fear / in the face of obstacles.
And there are really three things in the first chapter [of Joshua], in the midst of him challenging them to be courageous—that, to me, is a bit of a tipoff, just around the thing you are talking about that maybe they weren’t victorious. The first thing he said in verse 6: “Be strong and courageous for you will cause this people to inherit the land that I swore to their fathers to give them.” So, the first thing he gave them was a mission. He gave them God’s mission for that people.
And I’d apply it today—
—I think most people in church today aren’t really calibrating their lives around the Great Commission. The Great Commission is the greatest mission ever given to a group of people—to proclaim the gospel—to lead people to Christ, baptize them, disciple them, and call them to observe all that Christ has commanded them.
The second thing he says is in verse 7. He says, “Only be strong and very courageous; being careful to do all that the law that Moses, My servant, commanded you.” So, it’s back to where you started—the Scripture. Courage comes from obeying the Scripture, which means you’ve got to know it. I think you are right about that. I think people are suffering from the same disease that Adam and Eve had, all the way back into Genesis, Chapter 3, when the serpent came to them and said, “Has God said…?” I think that’s the question for our age, “Has God defined certain things as true?”
And then, the last thing is in verse 9—Joshua says: “Have I not commanded you be strong and courageous? Don’t be frightened. Don’t be dismayed…” Doesn’t that sound like our day today? What’s His solution? Listen to this: “…for the LORD your God is with you wherever you go.” So, courage comes from experiencing the presence of God.
And I look at my own life, when I’m not victorious, because I’ve been through some hard things in my six-plus decades of life as well. It is real easy to forget God is there and to not look to Him in the midst of a crisis / in the midst of things that challenge us. Life is just one long process of one challenge after another, one loss after another, one thing that God is using in our lives to teach us to grow down deep into Him. It’s our responses to those challenges that determine whether we are going to grow or whether we are going to become dull.
Bob: Can you tell Joshua, Chapter 1, is one of Dennis’s favorite chapters in the Bible? [Laughter]
Dennis: I think maybe the people that Joshua was leading—I think they needed encouragement—
Max: They did; didn’t they?
Dennis: —to be victorious.
Max: Well, you think about it. They had come out of 40 years of wilderness wandering. They had inherited an outlook of fear from their parents. They were the children of that generation that looked into the Promised Land and said, “No, the giants are too big.” So, it’s remarkable, to me, that they could, in spite of that, say, “Yes, we can.”
That, to me, is so encouraging because I think we live in a day in which many people look at God’s Word and criticize it / denounce the existence of God. We assume things are on a steady decline, and they are going to keep in this direction forever. That may be true. Yet, here is an example of which things were turned around, literally, from one generation to the next in just a matter—a short period of time.
Dennis: Yes. One generation perished—
Dennis: —the other generation moved into the land.
Max: Flourished—flourished. And in seven years, they defeated 31 kings.
I, sometimes, think we assume we’re going to struggle all the time. We just assume we’re going to have so many challenges—that we’re going to lead a defeated, marginalized life / we’re going to limp our way into heaven.
I’m thinking that the Book of Joshua is in the Bible to call us to a different level of hope, and courage, and faith—like you said—in the sense that they discovered a sense of courage that allowed them to do what they’d never seen done before.
Bob: It is sometimes wrong to allegorize parts of the Bible and to say, “This is a metaphor for this, and this is a metaphor for that”; but when it comes to bondage in Egypt, wandering in the wilderness, and then, crossing the Jordan into the Promised Land, there’s an appropriate spiritual allegory here. Egypt represents slavery—
—bondage to sin. The wilderness represents kind of the life we’re all living. The river and the Promised Land represents being in the presence of God and ultimately eternity/ crossing into heaven—but there is part of heaven we can experience now. That’s part of the—
Bob: —message of this book; right?
Max: And thanks for clearing that up because I grew up singing songs that left me with the impression that the Promised Land was only after this life in heaven. It certainly will be after this life in heaven, but we enter into our Promised Land right now. The truth of the matter is that Canaan was full of challenges for Joshua—just like our lives are full of challenges today—but God guided the children of Israel into those challenges, and they were victorious. And the Book of Joshua gives us some powerful principles—some of which, Dennis has already pointed out—going first into the Word of God.
That same REVEAL study that I referred to indicated that those who did enjoy what they described as victorious Christian living attributed it first and foremost to daily time in God’s Word—
—not in changing churches, not coming up with a new denomination, or listening to a different broadcast—but spending daily time in God’s Word was the common denominator among people who really felt like their spiritual life was flourishing more than languishing.
That’s exactly what God told Joshua, “Mediate on these words every day.” So, we can begin doing that immediately and expect that we are going to begin discovering some victories as a result.
Dennis: You speak in your book about how the concept of an inheritance or heritage is mentioned numerous times in the Book of Joshua. Don’t you think that a lot of Christians forget who they are and forget that they have royal blood in their veins and that they have a position in Jesus Christ? They are not a nobody—God is ordering their steps and they, too, have an inheritance.
Max: I think, perhaps, the most undiscovered truth in the church today is this idea of heirs with Christ—or co-heirs with Christ. It’s the Apostle Paul who really advances this thought—especially in Romans, Chapter 8, and, of course, in the epistle to the Ephesian church—where he calls us, not just heirs of Christ but co-heirs with Christ. Can you imagine if you are a co-heir with the daughter of Bill Gates? I mean, a co-heir—not just a distant cousin—but a co-heir.
Well, the Scriptures say, “We are co-heirs with Christ.” This means that every attribute at the disposal of Christ is an attribute to which I can have access. I can have access to the patience of Christ, the faith of Christ, the joy of Christ, the hope of Christ. This is an astounding discovery to me, and it was revolutionary in my own life.
This theme of being a co-heir with Christ immediately takes off the table the idea that:
“I’ll never get better,” or “I’ll never overcome this,” or “Our family cannot be saved.” This is the reason the Apostle Paul said, “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” I can do all things because I have access to the very power of Christ, and the same power that raised Christ from the dead is the same power that is living and alive in me. This is an exciting discovery, I think, for the Christian.
Bob: And there is a fundamental paradigm shift that goes along with this that you talk about in the book that everybody has to kind of get their head around. It is—well, the way you say it in the book is: “In the wilderness, you strive. That’s when you’re wandering and not yet where God wants you. In Canaan, you trust—that’s how God wants you to be living—that’s the Promised Land.”
So, what’s the difference between striving and trusting?
Max: I think it’s the difference between earning and receiving. When I was 15 years of age, my dad surprised me by placing the keys to an old Plymouth on the dinner table and telling me, “That’s your new car.”
Max: I was thrilled because I had been told all my life—
—every time I asked him for a car—he said, “You’re going to have to earn it / pay for it. Convince your mom to give it to you,”—you know. He—but something happened to him one day. He came across this old Plymouth. In a moment of weakness, he bought it; and he gave it to me. So, I inherited that car. Now, I still had to start it. I still had to open the door. I still had to drive it. I still had to care for it, but I inherited that—it was mine / it was given to me. I had to learn to live in it and to use it.
This is the promise of Christ—we have inherited the presence of Christ in our lives—it is there. It is a—the court records of heaven have been changed—forever altered. We are children of God. So, let’s take the keys. Let’s move forward in faith.
What I am trying to do is address that Christian, who is always wondering: “Am I ever going to have a car? Am I ever going to have the strength? Am I ever going to have a happy marriage? Am I ever going to have a deeper faith? Am I ever going to learn to pray?”
And really, this is a mindset that is a stronghold among many Christians. They just assume they never will. They are just happy to get to heaven by the skin of their teeth; you know? They are not thinking they are going to have victories. I’d like us to stand against that and activate within the church a series of Canaan-level conquests and see the Jericho walls come down.
Bob: It’s the difference between looking at life and saying: “I’m never”—like you said—“I’m never going to get there. I’ve got to keep striving,” and saying: “I’m already there. I just have to figure out how to live there.”
Max: What God said to Joshua: “Every place you step, that land will be yours.” Now, that is an interesting promise. He didn’t say, “Go out and fight for the land.” He said, “Fight from victory—I’ve already given you the land. So, just keep marching and believe, by faith, that I’m going to provide this as you step forward.” Again, Joshua had to step forward. They had to step into the Jordan River before the river opened. They had to start walking around Jericho before the Jericho wall came down. So, they took their steps of faith; but, boy, God responded in great victory.
Dennis: The walls may not come down on your time table, though.
Dennis: Those steps of faith that I have taken—some of the most difficult ones were when I stepped out, and I did not see what I hoped I would see.
Bob: When it’s Day 6 of the march and you’re thinking, “When is this thing going to happen?”—right?
Dennis: Exactly—and I just want to—you know, we’ve got listeners who are facing all kinds of issues—
Dennis: —I mean, in their marriage, with their kids, in their own personal lives—single parents / blended families.
Max, allow us to kind of step into your mind for a moment and take us to how you start your day and how you practice that because I do think it begins at the beginning of the day. That sounds kind of “Duh!” but we have to think rightly about ourselves. What are the thoughts you have about yourself that help remind you—where do you get that from?
Max: I appreciate your mentioning this because I sure don’t want to leave the impression that this is easy; and I don’t want people to feel an additional guilt in addition to the challenges because they feel guilt because they can’t face their challenges.
I’m really hoping to do just the opposite. I’m trying to say: “Now, God is with you. I know it’s tough, but you have every reason to believe that these challenges will not last forever.”
And I believe it all begins in doing exactly what we’ve discussed—understanding our identity in Christ. In the case of Joshua, God told him, “Go and receive the land I am giving to you as an inheritance.” We receive the same commission from God, “Go and receive the life I am giving to you as a co-heir of Christ.”
Well, there is a great place every day—I wake up, and I look in the mirror, and I say, “I’m a co-heir with Christ—not because I’m good, not because I’m smart, not because I’m good-looking,”— because I’m none of those.
Dennis: —not because you’re an author, or a pastor, or a speaker.
Max: No, not one bit. And I can’t add to that, and I can’t take away from it. I can just accept it. My best work has never increased it.
My worse mistake has never diminished from it. It’s a gift of salvation / it’s the great grace of Christ.
Dennis: And one of the things that helps you remember that has to be opening this Book—you said it earlier—
Dennis: —and just reading it—
Dennis: —because the pages do remind you who wins in the end.
Max: Absolutely. So, every day, we trust that the Lord is going to speak to us. To me, I have to have some of God’s Word in the morning. I have a friend who spends two or three hours in God’s Word every morning. I wish I did; but I do spend regular time in God’s Word, reading through Scripture.
It seems to me that just exactly what I need is what God provides through His Word because it’s living and active. It can touch places where I cannot be touched by anybody else. It can go to depths that I cannot be reached by anyone else. So, that time in the Word—that time assuring myself that I’m still God’s child—I begin every prayer by saying: “Father, I am Your child / I’m Your child. By Your choice, I’m Your child.”
To me, that just puts the day on the right track.
Dennis: I’ve been, recently, reading the Book of John. One of the things that Barbara and I have talked about, as we read our Bibles in the morning, is the phrase that’s used in there that Christ uses: “I don’t do anything that I don’t see the Father doing. I don’t speak any words that I don’t hear the Father speaking.” Here is the God-man, Jesus Christ, who He, Himself, was dependent upon God to show Him the works He had for Him—to tell Him what to say / what to speak.
I’ve just been chewing on that and going, “How often am I asking the Father: ‘What are the works? What are the words?’” That is where we get our identity—as we listen to the Father and we’re reminded: “This is not just any father. This is the Lord God Almighty. He’s the One who provides. He wants to speak with me daily and fellowship with me.
“I need to practice His presence and enjoy Him all day long.”
Bob: You know, at our Weekend to Remember® marriage getaways, we tell couples that, if you are not intentional and purposeful in building into and strengthening your marriage relationship, it will drift toward isolation. I think what you are saying, Max, is that, if we’re not intentional and purposeful about building into our relationship with Jesus, we will find ourselves in a spiritual wilderness as well. This is something that we have to be purposeful and disciplined with.
And you think about the season that we are in right now—this is a perfect setup—not only for us to be intentional about walking with Jesus—understanding who Jesus is / keeping our hearts and minds focused on Jesus—but it’s also a great setup for us to be able to communicate this to our children. I know we’ve had a lot of people, over the last week-and-a-half, who have been getting in touch with us to order the Christmas tree ornaments that Barbara has created this year that have the names of Jesus in different languages to hang on the Christmas tree.
We have also created a series of 12 ornaments for children—“The Twelve Names of Christmas™” we call it. There is an ornament for: Jesus is the Light of the World, Jesus is the Lamb of God, He’s the King of kings, and He is the Lion of Judah. There is a book that comes with it so you can read to your kids as you hang these ornaments on the tree—a little more about who Jesus is. This is the kind of intentionality that we think needs to be a part of every family.
And let me just encourage our listeners—go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. We also have copies available of Max Lucado’s book, Glory Days: Living Your Promised Land Life Now. You can order all of these resources from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-“F” as in family, “L” as in life, and then, the word, “TODAY.”
Ask for more information about the ornaments or about Max’s book, Glory Days. We’ll be happy to send these resources out to you.
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